I have found the whistler, a wizened old man in a faded red shirt and overalls. His eyes meet mine.  What happens next is not an accident. It is too well executed to be spontaneous, because it happens in complete unison. Every person in the crowd presses the three middle fingers of their left hand against their lips and extends them to me. It’s our sign from District 12, the last good-bye I gave Rue in the arena.

#The hunger games #katniss #katniss everdeen #racebending

amethystarcher:

part of the reason Katniss isn’t white to me is people thinking she and Gale were cousins

not because people who are unrelated can’t look alike

but because white people so often think PoC who are unrelated look exactly alike or all the same or whatever

do you know how many people think there are tons of pretty East Asian women who all look the same

or think that anyone from any race that isn’t white could look plausibly related within their race just because they’re PoC

people believing Gale and Katniss had to somehow be related just indicates to me that “Seam” was a race separate from whiteness, and that the people of the seam often looked the same and interchangeable to them

#The Hunger Games #Katniss #Whitewashing

nestofstraightlines:

racebending:

nestofstraightlines:

alisonofagun:

alemonlemoned:

michelleeeeen:

averagesparrow:

iconsidermyself:

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and she did a wonderful job in the role of Katniss. That being said, I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.
(spoilers) Think how much more incredible the scene where Katniss covers Rue in flowers would have been if Katniss and Rue were both women of color. Think how much more powerful it would be if it weren’t a white woman mourning the loss of a black woman. (We’ve seen that before. We’ve seen privileged characters learn from less privileged ones.) Think how amazing it would be for women of color to see themselves represented in every scene that Rue and Katniss share. The Hunger Games has already shown itself to be an incredibly popular film. Just imagine if such a successful film contained scenes which included only actresses of color. I would trade in Jennifer Lawrence’s performance for that.

ALL OF THIS.
Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and a lovely human being and normally I would be very happy to see a movie that features her. But that image of two women of color bonding, helping each other, impacting each others lives? We need that. As a people. With the way they cast this movie we have three notable characters (Rue, Thresh, and Cinna) playing the role of the Black Best Friend to a white person. And that’s so old. So tired. We need to show people of color as people. Not just as a White Person’s Little Helper.

I understand and appreciate the criticisms previously mentioned, but in defense of the movie, it’s set far into the future. That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle. Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage. My thoughts are all hypothetical and forgive me for playing devil’s advocate but the movie is based on the book which is set way in the future. 

The problem is that the audience the book/movie is intended for are NOT from the future, which means that all of the problems of today’s movie industry (whitewashing roles, intentionally restricting casting calls to only white actors and actresses - which happened when casting Katniss, etc) are always relevant. Again, as said: “I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.” The lack of POC characters in our media, more particularly those portrayed in a positive light and as heroes instead of supporting roles, is always a relevant and important issue and a byproduct of a society with institutionalized racism. 
Other important points were already expressed in the original commentary. 

“That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle.”
Oh my god, did we even read the same book? The Hunger Games has an explicitly racial dimension. The conditions of District 11 is a recreation of enslavement—everything from its geographic location (U.S. American South, based on the fact that it borders Appalachia and you take a train south to get there) to the type of labor they are made to do to (fieldwork) the way the people are punished (that would be brutally, with whips.) Then there’s dichotomy established between the way the Black intellectually disabled boy was treated (i.e. he was murdered) versus the way the intellectually disabled boy from District 12 was treated (“like a pet.”)
“Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage.”
Everyone in District 12 WAS NOT WHITE. DISTRICT 12 WAS EXPLICITLY SEGREGATED BY RACE. The people made to do dangerous physical labor (the coal miners of the Seam) are all olive skinned and dark haired, and they routinely starve to death. The white people in District 12 were also oppressed by the Capitol, but they were definitely privileged over the people of color in the Seam.

While I understand the sentiment of this, isn’t it a massive stretch to call book-Katniss a woman of colour? She is described as ‘olive-skinned’ which is certainly racially ambiguous. People have used the term to describe me, and I’m white British. Equally, it could refer to someone of, for example, Central American descent.
But isn’t any racial ambiguity there might have been cleared up by the fact that Katniss has a blonde little sister pretty? Since Katniss and Prim share the same genetics (they’re not from different marriages or anything) this makes the Everdeen sisters pretty unambiguously white, right?
Please correct me if I’ve missed something here. I totes agree that there’s racial subtext in The Hunger Games. And I certainly would have been all in favour of them casting Katniss as a person of colour in the film (and doing the same with Prim, to make sense). There are plenty of good arguments in favour of that casting - I just don’t see that authenticity to the book is one of them.

Race in Panem does not perfectly match up to race in the United States in modern times (racial categories are socially constructed) but Katniss experiences differential racialization for resembling someone from the Seam even if she is half-Merchant. Meanwhile, her sister Prim is able to be “passing.” (This is common in mixed race families where some kids may look more white than others, while others have darker or olive skin.) In that sense, Katniss doesn’t have access to the Merchant racial privilege that Prim or Peeta have. And she talks about this a lot. There are also scenes in the book where Katniss compares her skintone to that of people from Rue’s district, District 11. That and I mean, come on, Panem is some sort of future dystopic North America, and all of the heroes are white?

Fair enough. I see your point about racial identification. Skin tone is something Katniss brings up a fair bit in connection with her identity and how she relates to others. Just because it doesn’t match our present catergories of racial catergorisation doesn’t mean it’s any less divisive in the world of Panem.
Your whole reply makes a lot of sense - except I don’t get your last line there.
No one said anything about all the heroes being white, though - in the canon of the books, Rue is explicitly black and Thresh (if you can count him as a ‘hero’). And the film cast Cinna black too. So I’m not sure who has ever claimed that ”all of the heroes are white”. I certainly didn’t - I just pointed out a perceived flaw in the logic of saying Katniss is canonically non-white (and I see your argument on that front).
Neither do I think that because there are a couple of non-white heroes, the film gets a pass on the race front. All I’m saying is that not all of the heroes are white. And if people read a racially segregated society in The Hunger Games (which I can see, yeah) then surely it makes SENSE that there’s not much POC visibility in that world? Of course, if the film was taking this line it ought to support it with actually explaining this idea a bit. Otherwise it’s just another film with low POC visibility because that’s the world Hollywood lives in.

I can’t think of a single character of color in The Hunger Games films that will be in and survive all three movies.  I can think of several white characters who will be in and survive all three movies.  I suppose one could quibble about the definition of “hero,” but I’d argue that the actors in the lead heroic roles are the ones who are going to be in all three films.

nestofstraightlines:

racebending:

nestofstraightlines:

alisonofagun:

alemonlemoned:

michelleeeeen:

averagesparrow:

iconsidermyself:

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and she did a wonderful job in the role of Katniss. That being said, I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.

(spoilers) Think how much more incredible the scene where Katniss covers Rue in flowers would have been if Katniss and Rue were both women of color. Think how much more powerful it would be if it weren’t a white woman mourning the loss of a black woman. (We’ve seen that before. We’ve seen privileged characters learn from less privileged ones.) Think how amazing it would be for women of color to see themselves represented in every scene that Rue and Katniss share. The Hunger Games has already shown itself to be an incredibly popular film. Just imagine if such a successful film contained scenes which included only actresses of color. I would trade in Jennifer Lawrence’s performance for that.

ALL OF THIS.

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and a lovely human being and normally I would be very happy to see a movie that features her. But that image of two women of color bonding, helping each other, impacting each others lives? We need that. As a people. With the way they cast this movie we have three notable characters (Rue, Thresh, and Cinna) playing the role of the Black Best Friend to a white person. And that’s so old. So tired. We need to show people of color as people. Not just as a White Person’s Little Helper.

I understand and appreciate the criticisms previously mentioned, but in defense of the movie, it’s set far into the future. That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle. Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage. My thoughts are all hypothetical and forgive me for playing devil’s advocate but the movie is based on the book which is set way in the future. 

The problem is that the audience the book/movie is intended for are NOT from the future, which means that all of the problems of today’s movie industry (whitewashing roles, intentionally restricting casting calls to only white actors and actresses - which happened when casting Katniss, etc) are always relevant. Again, as said: “I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.” The lack of POC characters in our media, more particularly those portrayed in a positive light and as heroes instead of supporting roles, is always a relevant and important issue and a byproduct of a society with institutionalized racism. 

Other important points were already expressed in the original commentary. 

“That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle.”

Oh my god, did we even read the same book? The Hunger Games has an explicitly racial dimension. The conditions of District 11 is a recreation of enslavement—everything from its geographic location (U.S. American South, based on the fact that it borders Appalachia and you take a train south to get there) to the type of labor they are made to do to (fieldwork) the way the people are punished (that would be brutally, with whips.) Then there’s dichotomy established between the way the Black intellectually disabled boy was treated (i.e. he was murdered) versus the way the intellectually disabled boy from District 12 was treated (“like a pet.”)

“Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage.”

Everyone in District 12 WAS NOT WHITE. DISTRICT 12 WAS EXPLICITLY SEGREGATED BY RACE. The people made to do dangerous physical labor (the coal miners of the Seam) are all olive skinned and dark haired, and they routinely starve to death. The white people in District 12 were also oppressed by the Capitol, but they were definitely privileged over the people of color in the Seam.

While I understand the sentiment of this, isn’t it a massive stretch to call book-Katniss a woman of colour? She is described as ‘olive-skinned’ which is certainly racially ambiguous. People have used the term to describe me, and I’m white British. Equally, it could refer to someone of, for example, Central American descent.

But isn’t any racial ambiguity there might have been cleared up by the fact that Katniss has a blonde little sister pretty? Since Katniss and Prim share the same genetics (they’re not from different marriages or anything) this makes the Everdeen sisters pretty unambiguously white, right?

Please correct me if I’ve missed something here. I totes agree that there’s racial subtext in The Hunger Games. And I certainly would have been all in favour of them casting Katniss as a person of colour in the film (and doing the same with Prim, to make sense). There are plenty of good arguments in favour of that casting - I just don’t see that authenticity to the book is one of them.

Race in Panem does not perfectly match up to race in the United States in modern times (racial categories are socially constructed) but Katniss experiences differential racialization for resembling someone from the Seam even if she is half-Merchant. Meanwhile, her sister Prim is able to be “passing.” (This is common in mixed race families where some kids may look more white than others, while others have darker or olive skin.) In that sense, Katniss doesn’t have access to the Merchant racial privilege that Prim or Peeta have. And she talks about this a lot. There are also scenes in the book where Katniss compares her skintone to that of people from Rue’s district, District 11. That and I mean, come on, Panem is some sort of future dystopic North America, and all of the heroes are white?

Fair enough. I see your point about racial identification. Skin tone is something Katniss brings up a fair bit in connection with her identity and how she relates to others. Just because it doesn’t match our present catergories of racial catergorisation doesn’t mean it’s any less divisive in the world of Panem.

Your whole reply makes a lot of sense - except I don’t get your last line there.

No one said anything about all the heroes being white, though - in the canon of the books, Rue is explicitly black and Thresh (if you can count him as a ‘hero’). And the film cast Cinna black too. So I’m not sure who has ever claimed that ”all of the heroes are white”. I certainly didn’t - I just pointed out a perceived flaw in the logic of saying Katniss is canonically non-white (and I see your argument on that front).

Neither do I think that because there are a couple of non-white heroes, the film gets a pass on the race front. All I’m saying is that not all of the heroes are white. And if people read a racially segregated society in The Hunger Games (which I can see, yeah) then surely it makes SENSE that there’s not much POC visibility in that world? Of course, if the film was taking this line it ought to support it with actually explaining this idea a bit. Otherwise it’s just another film with low POC visibility because that’s the world Hollywood lives in.

I can’t think of a single character of color in The Hunger Games films that will be in and survive all three movies.  I can think of several white characters who will be in and survive all three movies.  I suppose one could quibble about the definition of “hero,” but I’d argue that the actors in the lead heroic roles are the ones who are going to be in all three films.

#the hunger games #katniss #whitewashing

nestofstraightlines:

alisonofagun:

alemonlemoned:

michelleeeeen:

averagesparrow:

iconsidermyself:

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and she did a wonderful job in the role of Katniss. That being said, I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.
(spoilers) Think how much more incredible the scene where Katniss covers Rue in flowers would have been if Katniss and Rue were both women of color. Think how much more powerful it would be if it weren’t a white woman mourning the loss of a black woman. (We’ve seen that before. We’ve seen privileged characters learn from less privileged ones.) Think how amazing it would be for women of color to see themselves represented in every scene that Rue and Katniss share. The Hunger Games has already shown itself to be an incredibly popular film. Just imagine if such a successful film contained scenes which included only actresses of color. I would trade in Jennifer Lawrence’s performance for that.

ALL OF THIS.
Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and a lovely human being and normally I would be very happy to see a movie that features her. But that image of two women of color bonding, helping each other, impacting each others lives? We need that. As a people. With the way they cast this movie we have three notable characters (Rue, Thresh, and Cinna) playing the role of the Black Best Friend to a white person. And that’s so old. So tired. We need to show people of color as people. Not just as a White Person’s Little Helper.

I understand and appreciate the criticisms previously mentioned, but in defense of the movie, it’s set far into the future. That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle. Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage. My thoughts are all hypothetical and forgive me for playing devil’s advocate but the movie is based on the book which is set way in the future. 

The problem is that the audience the book/movie is intended for are NOT from the future, which means that all of the problems of today’s movie industry (whitewashing roles, intentionally restricting casting calls to only white actors and actresses - which happened when casting Katniss, etc) are always relevant. Again, as said: “I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.” The lack of POC characters in our media, more particularly those portrayed in a positive light and as heroes instead of supporting roles, is always a relevant and important issue and a byproduct of a society with institutionalized racism. 
Other important points were already expressed in the original commentary. 

“That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle.”
Oh my god, did we even read the same book? The Hunger Games has an explicitly racial dimension. The conditions of District 11 is a recreation of enslavement—everything from its geographic location (U.S. American South, based on the fact that it borders Appalachia and you take a train south to get there) to the type of labor they are made to do to (fieldwork) the way the people are punished (that would be brutally, with whips.) Then there’s dichotomy established between the way the Black intellectually disabled boy was treated (i.e. he was murdered) versus the way the intellectually disabled boy from District 12 was treated (“like a pet.”)
“Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage.”
Everyone in District 12 WAS NOT WHITE. DISTRICT 12 WAS EXPLICITLY SEGREGATED BY RACE. The people made to do dangerous physical labor (the coal miners of the Seam) are all olive skinned and dark haired, and they routinely starve to death. The white people in District 12 were also oppressed by the Capitol, but they were definitely privileged over the people of color in the Seam.

While I understand the sentiment of this, isn’t it a massive stretch to call book-Katniss a woman of colour? She is described as ‘olive-skinned’ which is certainly racially ambiguous. People have used the term to describe me, and I’m white British. Equally, it could refer to someone of, for example, Central American descent.

But isn’t any racial ambiguity there might have been cleared up by the fact that Katniss has a blonde little sister pretty? Since Katniss and Prim share the same genetics (they’re not from different marriages or anything) this makes the Everdeen sisters pretty unambiguously white, right?

Please correct me if I’ve missed something here. I totes agree that there’s racial subtext in The Hunger Games. And I certainly would have been all in favour of them casting Katniss as a person of colour in the film (and doing the same with Prim, to make sense). There are plenty of good arguments in favour of that casting - I just don’t see that authenticity to the book is one of them.

Race in Panem does not perfectly match up to race in the United States in modern times (racial categories are socially constructed) but Katniss experiences differential racialization for resembling someone from the Seam even if she is half-Merchant.   Meanwhile, her sister Prim is able to be “passing.”  (This is common in mixed race families where some kids may look more white than others, while others have darker or olive skin.)  In that sense, Katniss doesn’t have access to the Merchant racial privilege that Prim or Peeta have.  And she talks about this a lot.  There are also scenes in the book where Katniss compares her skintone to that of people from Rue’s district, District 11.   That and I mean, come on, Panem is some sort of future dystopic North America, and all of the heroes are white?

nestofstraightlines:

alisonofagun:

alemonlemoned:

michelleeeeen:

averagesparrow:

iconsidermyself:

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and she did a wonderful job in the role of Katniss. That being said, I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.

(spoilers) Think how much more incredible the scene where Katniss covers Rue in flowers would have been if Katniss and Rue were both women of color. Think how much more powerful it would be if it weren’t a white woman mourning the loss of a black woman. (We’ve seen that before. We’ve seen privileged characters learn from less privileged ones.) Think how amazing it would be for women of color to see themselves represented in every scene that Rue and Katniss share. The Hunger Games has already shown itself to be an incredibly popular film. Just imagine if such a successful film contained scenes which included only actresses of color. I would trade in Jennifer Lawrence’s performance for that.

ALL OF THIS.

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and a lovely human being and normally I would be very happy to see a movie that features her. But that image of two women of color bonding, helping each other, impacting each others lives? We need that. As a people. With the way they cast this movie we have three notable characters (Rue, Thresh, and Cinna) playing the role of the Black Best Friend to a white person. And that’s so old. So tired. We need to show people of color as people. Not just as a White Person’s Little Helper.

I understand and appreciate the criticisms previously mentioned, but in defense of the movie, it’s set far into the future. That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle. Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage. My thoughts are all hypothetical and forgive me for playing devil’s advocate but the movie is based on the book which is set way in the future. 

The problem is that the audience the book/movie is intended for are NOT from the future, which means that all of the problems of today’s movie industry (whitewashing roles, intentionally restricting casting calls to only white actors and actresses - which happened when casting Katniss, etc) are always relevant. Again, as said: “I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.” The lack of POC characters in our media, more particularly those portrayed in a positive light and as heroes instead of supporting roles, is always a relevant and important issue and a byproduct of a society with institutionalized racism. 

Other important points were already expressed in the original commentary. 

“That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle.”

Oh my god, did we even read the same book? The Hunger Games has an explicitly racial dimension. The conditions of District 11 is a recreation of enslavement—everything from its geographic location (U.S. American South, based on the fact that it borders Appalachia and you take a train south to get there) to the type of labor they are made to do to (fieldwork) the way the people are punished (that would be brutally, with whips.) Then there’s dichotomy established between the way the Black intellectually disabled boy was treated (i.e. he was murdered) versus the way the intellectually disabled boy from District 12 was treated (“like a pet.”)

“Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage.”

Everyone in District 12 WAS NOT WHITE. DISTRICT 12 WAS EXPLICITLY SEGREGATED BY RACE. The people made to do dangerous physical labor (the coal miners of the Seam) are all olive skinned and dark haired, and they routinely starve to death. The white people in District 12 were also oppressed by the Capitol, but they were definitely privileged over the people of color in the Seam.

While I understand the sentiment of this, isn’t it a massive stretch to call book-Katniss a woman of colour? She is described as ‘olive-skinned’ which is certainly racially ambiguous. People have used the term to describe me, and I’m white British. Equally, it could refer to someone of, for example, Central American descent.

But isn’t any racial ambiguity there might have been cleared up by the fact that Katniss has a blonde little sister pretty? Since Katniss and Prim share the same genetics (they’re not from different marriages or anything) this makes the Everdeen sisters pretty unambiguously white, right?

Please correct me if I’ve missed something here. I totes agree that there’s racial subtext in The Hunger Games. And I certainly would have been all in favour of them casting Katniss as a person of colour in the film (and doing the same with Prim, to make sense). There are plenty of good arguments in favour of that casting - I just don’t see that authenticity to the book is one of them.

Race in Panem does not perfectly match up to race in the United States in modern times (racial categories are socially constructed) but Katniss experiences differential racialization for resembling someone from the Seam even if she is half-Merchant. Meanwhile, her sister Prim is able to be “passing.” (This is common in mixed race families where some kids may look more white than others, while others have darker or olive skin.) In that sense, Katniss doesn’t have access to the Merchant racial privilege that Prim or Peeta have. And she talks about this a lot. There are also scenes in the book where Katniss compares her skintone to that of people from Rue’s district, District 11. That and I mean, come on, Panem is some sort of future dystopic North America, and all of the heroes are white?

#Katniss #Olive skinned #This argument again #The Hunger Games

alisonofagun:

alemonlemoned:

michelleeeeen:

averagesparrow:

iconsidermyself:

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and she did a wonderful job in the role of Katniss. That being said, I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.
(spoilers) Think how much more incredible the scene where Katniss covers Rue in flowers would have been if Katniss and Rue were both women of color. Think how much more powerful it would be if it weren’t a white woman mourning the loss of a black woman. (We’ve seen that before. We’ve seen privileged characters learn from less privileged ones.) Think how amazing it would be for women of color to see themselves represented in every scene that Rue and Katniss share. The Hunger Games has already shown itself to be an incredibly popular film. Just imagine if such a successful film contained scenes which included only actresses of color. I would trade in Jennifer Lawrence’s performance for that.

ALL OF THIS.
Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and a lovely human being and normally I would be very happy to see a movie that features her. But that image of two women of color bonding, helping each other, impacting each others lives? We need that. As a people. With the way they cast this movie we have three notable characters (Rue, Thresh, and Cinna) playing the role of the Black Best Friend to a white person. And that’s so old. So tired. We need to show people of color as people. Not just as a White Person’s Little Helper.

I understand and appreciate the criticisms previously mentioned, but in defense of the movie, it’s set far into the future. That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle. Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage. My thoughts are all hypothetical and forgive me for playing devil’s advocate but the movie is based on the book which is set way in the future. 

The problem is that the audience the book/movie is intended for are NOT from the future, which means that all of the problems of today’s movie industry (whitewashing roles, intentionally restricting casting calls to only white actors and actresses - which happened when casting Katniss, etc) are always relevant. Again, as said: “I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.” The lack of POC characters in our media, more particularly those portrayed in a positive light and as heroes instead of supporting roles, is always a relevant and important issue and a byproduct of a society with institutionalized racism. 
Other important points were already expressed in the original commentary. 

“That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle.”
Oh my god, did we even read the same book? The Hunger Games has an explicitly racial dimension. The conditions of District 11 is a recreation of enslavement—everything from its geographic location (U.S. American South, based on the fact that it borders Appalachia and you take a train south to get there) to the type of labor they are made to do to (fieldwork) the way the people are punished (that would be brutally, with whips.) Then there’s dichotomy established between the way the Black intellectually disabled boy was treated (i.e. he was murdered) versus the way the intellectually disabled boy from District 12 was treated (“like a pet.”)
“Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage.”
Everyone in District 12 WAS NOT WHITE. DISTRICT 12 WAS EXPLICITLY SEGREGATED BY RACE. The people made to do dangerous physical labor (the coal miners of the Seam) are all olive skinned and dark haired, and they routinely starve to death. The white people in District 12 were also oppressed by the Capitol, but they were definitely privileged over the people of color in the Seam.

alisonofagun:

alemonlemoned:

michelleeeeen:

averagesparrow:

iconsidermyself:

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and she did a wonderful job in the role of Katniss. That being said, I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.

(spoilers) Think how much more incredible the scene where Katniss covers Rue in flowers would have been if Katniss and Rue were both women of color. Think how much more powerful it would be if it weren’t a white woman mourning the loss of a black woman. (We’ve seen that before. We’ve seen privileged characters learn from less privileged ones.) Think how amazing it would be for women of color to see themselves represented in every scene that Rue and Katniss share. The Hunger Games has already shown itself to be an incredibly popular film. Just imagine if such a successful film contained scenes which included only actresses of color. I would trade in Jennifer Lawrence’s performance for that.

ALL OF THIS.

Jennifer Lawrence is a great actress and a lovely human being and normally I would be very happy to see a movie that features her. But that image of two women of color bonding, helping each other, impacting each others lives? We need that. As a people. With the way they cast this movie we have three notable characters (Rue, Thresh, and Cinna) playing the role of the Black Best Friend to a white person. And that’s so old. So tired. We need to show people of color as people. Not just as a White Person’s Little Helper.

I understand and appreciate the criticisms previously mentioned, but in defense of the movie, it’s set far into the future. That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle. Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage. My thoughts are all hypothetical and forgive me for playing devil’s advocate but the movie is based on the book which is set way in the future. 

The problem is that the audience the book/movie is intended for are NOT from the future, which means that all of the problems of today’s movie industry (whitewashing roles, intentionally restricting casting calls to only white actors and actresses - which happened when casting Katniss, etc) are always relevant. Again, as said: “I would have preferred a biracial actress to play this part because I can think of so few heroines with “olive colored skin” that when one finally appears she ought not to be white washed.” The lack of POC characters in our media, more particularly those portrayed in a positive light and as heroes instead of supporting roles, is always a relevant and important issue and a byproduct of a society with institutionalized racism. 

Other important points were already expressed in the original commentary. 

“That could mean that all people during that time period are equally oppressed by The Capitol. Sure color blindness doesn’t exist in this day in age, but when an entire nation is being oppressed by one super force of a government, a black person’s struggle is equal to the white person’s struggle.”

Oh my god, did we even read the same book? The Hunger Games has an explicitly racial dimension. The conditions of District 11 is a recreation of enslavement—everything from its geographic location (U.S. American South, based on the fact that it borders Appalachia and you take a train south to get there) to the type of labor they are made to do to (fieldwork) the way the people are punished (that would be brutally, with whips.) Then there’s dichotomy established between the way the Black intellectually disabled boy was treated (i.e. he was murdered) versus the way the intellectually disabled boy from District 12 was treated (“like a pet.”)

“Not to mention each came from communities seemingly entirely composed of people of their own race, which means that they wouldn’t have experience white privilege in Katniss’s district because everyone was white. There was class segregation based on profession in District 12 but no room for race segregation or disadvantage.”

Everyone in District 12 WAS NOT WHITE. DISTRICT 12 WAS EXPLICITLY SEGREGATED BY RACE. The people made to do dangerous physical labor (the coal miners of the Seam) are all olive skinned and dark haired, and they routinely starve to death. The white people in District 12 were also oppressed by the Capitol, but they were definitely privileged over the people of color in the Seam.

#The Hunger Games #Katniss #Rue #Whitewashing

notasamalander:

I ran out of space, but here is a photoset of some WOC Archers for Emmy, and anyone else who is sick of seeing white representations of Katniss.

From the top:

Khatuna Lorig of America (born in Georgia, Soviet Union; Olympic medalist; taught Jennifer Lawrence to shoot)

Deepika Kumari of India (born in Ranchi, in the state of Jharkhand; currently number 1 in the world; winner of the Arjuna Award)

Leidys Brito of Venezuela (born in Maturín, Monagas; competed in Beijing in 2008)

Inna Stepanova of Russia (born in Buryatia, a region of south-central Siberia; competed in London in 2012)

Lee Sung Jin of Korea (born in Chungnam, South Korea; three-time Olympic medalist)

Maureen Tuimalealiifano of Samoa (born in Saleimoa, Samoa; competed in London in 2012)

Denisse van Lamoen of Chile (born in Arica, Chile; was the first Chilean archer to compete in the Olympics; studied law at Universidad Andres Bello, Santiago, CHI; Competed in Sydney in 2000 and London in 2012)

Bishindee Urantungalag of Mongolia (born Khentii Provence, Mongolia; has one child; speaks four languages; competed in London in 2012)

Chekrovolu Swuro of India (serves as an Assistant Sub-Inspector in the Nagaland Police; competed in London in 2012)

Zahra Dehghanabnavi of Iran (born in Shiraz; competed in London in 2012)


tl;dr- Archers are awesome, these women kick ass, and some of them might actually look like Katniss.

#Katniss

televisionamist:

racebending:

supportiveblackfriend:

I’m not sure if any of you know this. The two actresses at the top were both casted as Lavender Brown. Lavender Brown was a black girl BEFORE she had to kiss Ron. 

While there is a throwaway line in Book 6 about Lavender having similar skin tone as Ron, there is no reason why Lavender Brown could not have stayed brown in the movies—especially since the roles of characters of color in the Harry Potter films, like Cho Chang and Dean Thomas, were substantially cut down.

Okay, one, a “throwaway line” about Lavender having the same skin tone as Ron can be ignored, but when it comes to Katniss’s “olive-toned” skin, it requires two dozen essays? 


eh, maybe not two dozen essays, but there is a difference between Katniss, the protagonist of the novels, and Lavender, a side character in the series.  Have a person of color portray Harry Potter’s best friend’s single-film love interest, and the effect is pretty neglible on the outcome of the story.  On the other hand, Katniss’s skin tone is repeatedly mentioned, differentially racialized, and politicized in the novels.  Having a white woman portray Katniss fundamentally affects the dynamics of her character, particularly since the films will show people of color repeatedly sacrificing themselves for her sake and for the benefit of her character development.  

Also, Katniss wasn’t brown and then suddenly white when her character got lines.  The casting process for Katniss discriminated from the get go.  Lavender Brown’s recasting is different.

televisionamist:

racebending:

supportiveblackfriend:

I’m not sure if any of you know this. The two actresses at the top were both casted as Lavender Brown. Lavender Brown was a black girl BEFORE she had to kiss Ron. 

While there is a throwaway line in Book 6 about Lavender having similar skin tone as Ron, there is no reason why Lavender Brown could not have stayed brown in the movies—especially since the roles of characters of color in the Harry Potter films, like Cho Chang and Dean Thomas, were substantially cut down.

Okay, one, a “throwaway line” about Lavender having the same skin tone as Ron can be ignored, but when it comes to Katniss’s “olive-toned” skin, it requires two dozen essays? 

eh, maybe not two dozen essays, but there is a difference between Katniss, the protagonist of the novels, and Lavender, a side character in the series. Have a person of color portray Harry Potter’s best friend’s single-film love interest, and the effect is pretty neglible on the outcome of the story. On the other hand, Katniss’s skin tone is repeatedly mentioned, differentially racialized, and politicized in the novels. Having a white woman portray Katniss fundamentally affects the dynamics of her character, particularly since the films will show people of color repeatedly sacrificing themselves for her sake and for the benefit of her character development.

Also, Katniss wasn’t brown and then suddenly white when her character got lines. The casting process for Katniss discriminated from the get go. Lavender Brown’s recasting is different.

#Katniss #Lavender Brown #False equivocation

Moe Hunger Games commentary

denzelishaymitch:

foxxandthefeline:

Unlike most of the people I see on Tumblr, I am not still in school and have a full time job to deal with so this is the last time I’m going to bother trying to dispute those of you who seem to think you know better than the person who CREATED the character.

Suzanne Collins herself was not only present for the casting process, but actively participated in choosing who played the characters that SHE WROTE. So if she had pictured Katniss as a POC, I HIGHLY DOUBT she would have allowed them to ask for Caucasian females when they released the audition/casting details. Not to say it wasn’t racist for them to ask for Caucasian females specifically, but that was how Suzanne and the casting directors phrased it. 

To those of you who think Suzanne was pressured into it, do you honestly think Suzanne would have allowed herself to bend to that sort of pressure? She would have at least asked them to ALLOW girls of color to try out had she imagined Katniss that way. She is a strong woman who could have easily defended her choice of character’s race.

Not to mention, as I stated in the last post I wrote on the matter, she specifically said she never intended them to be bi-racial. 

Also “It’s in the future and things were moved around” while it may not have the same name, District 12 IS in the Appalachian Region, the region I currently live in. We simply do NOT have a lot of POC here. Racism is still very rampant is this area and it is not uncommon to hear foul terms like “nigger” spewed often. Even if this is futuristic, I can’t imagine an excess of POC moving here and producing a whole group of biracial people (The Seam people, who again, Suzanne said she never intended for them to be biracial)

Also, while yes, it is POSSIBLE for POC to produce offspring with grey eyes, it is not common. You can argue this point and tell me I don’t know anything about genetics (when in fact I made great grades in that particular section of all my biology classes throughout high school and college) all you want but the fact of the matter is brown eyes are dominant, and MOST POC (from ANY part of the world) tend to have brown eyes. In order to have blue or grey eyes (Prim & Katniss respectively) they would both have to have both recessive genes. With just them you can argue that since their father was similar to Katniss (and therefore had recessive traits himself) that this is possible, but for the WHOLE GROUP of seam people to look similar to them and still be considered POC, it just is not at all likely. Not to mention the fact that Suzanne herself said that she had never intended them to be that way. She was there and an active participant while Gale, Haymitch, and Katniss were all cast. All of them Caucasian. She still to this day say they did a wonderful job portraying HER characters.

So that is what it comes down to. Regardless of how you feel on the subject, the woman who wrote the books, and everyone who brought the books to life, imagined Katniss as Jennifer Lawrence portrayed her. The thought she was the best so they cast her in the role. A role which most of us out there seem to think she did an absolutely wonderful job with. Whether you like it or not she will continue to portray Katniss all through the series.


But hey, if you think you know better than the author herself and the casting directors, please continue with your ignorance. It really must be blissful. I’m going back to reblogging pictures of animals, beautiful women, awesome nature scenes, and user-made graphics from my respective fandoms (including the mostly white cast of THG) now. Feel free to keep whining about a cast that has already made MILLIONS with these movies. I’m sure they’re all real concerned about your opinions.

(Edited side note: The Hunger Games is NOT about the oppression of POC. If you notice, there were plenty of POC in the capitol. The Hunger Games is about the oppression of ALL people, and the rebellion that should ensue when we have our liberties taken away from us. It is, in it’s own way, a political statement about abuse of power. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. STOP TWISTING IT INTO SOMETHING IT IS NOT. Also, yes, some of the other nameless tributes could, and possibly should have been POC, but the fact of the matter is, we have no idea why those particular people were chosen and there is nothing we can do to change the movie now that it has been made and released.) 

I don’t even know how to deal with this kind of bullshit in my tags anymore.

Suzanne said that they were mixed. She said that there has been ethnic mixing in the Seam and District 12. You know what she also said? She said that they can use makeup to show that ethnic mixing. That is blackface. This is not a woman to trust with racial affairs especially considering that she is white and thus privileged. [x]

Moreover, authorial intent is moot when interpreting a text. It is fucking moot. The text tells us that Katniss is a woman of color, what Collins says outside of the text to the otherwise does not matter.

Uncommon for PoC of gray eyes to exist, you say? Go to the Middle East. Go to Afghanistan and see the Pashtun people. Go to Turkey. Look at any light-skinned Latin@—or even medium to dark skinned for that matter—peoples and see how diverse their features are. The idea of PoC being solely dark-skinnned, dark-haired, dark-eyed people comes from a place of ignorance and inexperience with PoC themselves.

“The Hunger Games is NOT about the oppression of POC.” Delete your blog. Delete it now. District 11 serves as a metaphor for slavery. The people there are canonically black, canonically African American. They work in the fields. They work under merciless conditions. They are subjected to punishments of historical weight such as whipping. They are victim to police brutality. Moreover, there are unmistakable patterns of color in the books. Gale and Thresh are compared in text to each other in the first book. There’s a sense of owing respective to the Seam that the District 11 tributes also understand. Seeder who is explicitly African American is described as having the same olive skin as people of the Seam, so much so that she could fit in the Seam. Haymitch and Chaff are best friends. As a matter of fact, Haymitch introduces Katniss foremost to Chaff and Seeder in Catching Fire.

Now let’s go to District 12 itself. There’s a racial disparity there between merchants and miners. Only poverty, you say? Then why the fuck is it reinforced by physical appearance? Why the fuck do Prim and her mother look out of place in the Seam with their—get this—blonde hair and blue eyes, the whitest features that anybody could have? The racial narrative is fucking blatant. Stop trying to deny it.

You live in Appalachia and you think that no PoC would move there of their free will? You make me laugh. Since when did any of the characters in The Hunger Games have free will as to where they can move? They can’t leave their districts. They can’t travel between districts upon penalty of beng shot. The fact that District 11 and District 12 are so near each other only proves that PoC were grouped into specific districts, hence the institutional racism.

Moreover, you really may not know much aout the region in which you live because Melungeon Native Americans live in Appalachia.  They have even mixed withe people of European descent. From Wikipedia

[Melungeon] is a term traditionally applied to one of a number of “tri-racial isolate” groups of the Southeastern United States, mainly in the Cumberland Gap area of central Appalachia, which includes portions of East TennesseeSouthwest Virginia, and East KentuckyTri-racial describes populations thought to be of mixed Europeansub-Saharan African and Native American ancestry. Although there is no consensus on how many such groups exist, estimates range as high as 200.[1][2] Melungeons were often referred to as of Portuguese or Native American origin. [x]

This ethnic mixing that is so outrageous and far-fetched to you has already occurred!

Are there PoC in the Capitol? Perhaps. Most of the Capitol residents are racially ambiguous and some explicitly white. I odn’t knwo where you’re getting your information from. It’s certainly not from the books. Most Capitol residents have Roman names. People in District 2 have Greek names. European culture pervades their societies and is a reference to the Capitol’s gladiatorial Hunger Games and Two’s Spartan warlike culture.

In short, people of color exist. They exist in these books. There’s an undeniable racial narrative in these books. Katniss is not ambiguous. She sure as fuck is not white. The only person who is twisting the text is you with half-assed and superficial arguments.

And you know what’s really sad? No, the filmmakers are NOT concerned with our opinions. They never will be. Whitewashing is excruciatingly commonplace in Hollywood. It’s no big deal for them. Whenever I meet a person who has seen the film, they have no idea that Katniss and Co. were PoC. The only place where I can discuss this is on blogging websites and in fandom. We are sick and tired of your derailing bullshit and don’t need it anymore. I went into my Haymitch tag to find stuff for my fyeah. I had no fucking idea that I would have to spend so much time replying to this bullshit post.

(via meggannn)

#The hunger games #Derailing #Katniss

gloryandus:

The fact remains that Panem is a futuristic North America. North America is currently only 57% white, with that percentage decreasing. There is absolutely no reason to make a leap and believe that Panem has more white people than we do now. If anything, looking at scientific population projections there would be less. Suzanne Collins did not need to spell this out for you in the book. It is common knowledge that North America does not equal the USA alone, and that it is the most racially diverse continent on earth, with all evidence pointing to it only growing in diversity. 

The Hunger Games films are racist and practice whitewashing because they are an adaptation of a book about a diverse nation of people overwhelmingly of color, featuring a prominently white cast. Imagine, if you will, a book set in Mexico being adapted with a mostly white cast of actors. ‘Well, there are white people in Mexico’ you’d say. Actually, no you wouldn’t, because that’s ridiculous. Of course there is a small white population in Mexico, and a proportionate number of white actors could be included to demonstrate this, but the majority of Mexicans are Latin@, and they would feature in the cast. The same way, North America (and Panem, which -cough includes Mexico cough-) in a couple hundred plus years will be a country made up mostly of diverse people of color. The Hunger Games films should feature mostly people of color, but they don’t. There are still a handful of roles yet to be cast, but as of right now Enobaria will be the only person of color in Mockingjay, and she only has one line in the book.

Really, it’s not surprising. Hollywood does this. A lot. That doesn’t make it excusable, though. The fact that it’s such a common occurrence makes it even more despicable, and I will keep speaking out about it.

#the hunger games #hunger games #katniss #whitewashing #racebending

Maria Howell cast as Seeder!

chelseabigbang:

So Maria Howell has been cast as Seeder in Catching Fire and I’m so glad there was no whitewashing, but this makes me side-eye a little bit because remember when Katniss was described as being olive-skinned and everyone said that just meant she had a tan or some shit?

Seeder was described the same way  and Katniss said she “looks almost like she could be from the Seam with her olive skin and straight black hair streaked with silver”.  Of course Seeder is from District 11, the District that has been presented as being heavily populated by black people.  But I mean…doesn’t this mean something?

Doesn’t this denote that Seeder and Katniss are of - or close to - the same coloring?

Is anyone else realizing this?

Is anyone else?

Am I the only one?

I can’t be. 

That being said, JLaw is Katniss so there’s no changing that but I think it’s interesting that olive skin means POC for a minor character but when referring to the main character, it means white+makeup. 

No, you’re not the only one.   Straight up, the production is cool with casting actors of color in these films—as long as they play supporting role PoCs who die to benefit the white protagonists.

#the hunger games #catching fire #seeder #racebending #whitewashing #katniss

#the hunger games #hunger games #katniss #casting

robogreifer:

I’m sorry, but I won’t ever forgive the decision to edit Peeta’s amputation out of the movie.

there-was-a-girl:aimmyarrowshigh:stillwannabefree said:

The fact that they removed Peeta’s amputation from the story AND removed both Greasy Sae’s granddaughter and the D10 Tribute’s clubfoot from the film gives Panem an unrealistic level of able-bodiedness (especially for a dystopian/third-world country) AND creates a narrative that actively asserts that people with physical disabilities are not suitable for mainstream viewing. 

Their exclusion from the story is problematic from both a narrative standpoint — that Peeta is intentionally given a physical disability and Katniss given a psychological disorder, and they’re still both able to be romantically and sexually engaged AND retain full personal agency — and a “real-world” standpoint, in that it would have been (making a slight pun) revolutionary for them to include a love interest with a physical disability in Catching Fire and Mockingjay, given that the general culture of US media is that people with disabilities need either to be wholly tragic or wholly “inspirational meta stories,” but never just… people.

…why? I’m thinking they didn’t do it out of disrespect to the source but because they are filming at least 3 more movies and it’s more convinent and cheaper. Now Josh won’t have to wear a green screen legwarmer type thing and they save money on CGI.

The “we marginalize people with disabilities and representations of them because it’s more convenient and cheaper” defense is kind of mindboggling and indicative of a lot of the ableism our society has internalized. The “more convenient and cheaper” for the rest of us excuse has been used for generations to justify discriminating against, excluding, and even denying basic human rights to people with disabilities…to the extent that laws like the Americans with Disabilities Act and Employment Discrimination Act are designed to intervene.

Also, it’s kind of difficult to argue that the same movie production that made CGI fireballs, mutant wolves, and the fanciest of facial hairs couldn’t cough up the money or talent for the illusion of a physical disability that would mostly have been hidden under a pants leg anyway.

1 out of 5 Americans have a disability. This is definitely not reflected in entertainment media. Though, given The Hunger Games film’s track record of exclusion it is not that unexpected.

(via unsuspectingfish)

#Peeta #Katniss #The Hunger Games #Disability #Ablelism

#Hunger games #Katniss #Disability #Peeta

madeoflightning:

Can everyone stop talking about Katniss being ‘white-washed’? Good lord, White people can be ‘olive-skinned’ too you know.

chonklatime:

Y’know what?  When Hollywood starts opening up leading roles to POC, when casting calls stop requesting people who are, “Nice looking, friendly, Not too dark, when mixed race individuals can be mixed in the movies and not be shoved into one category or the other, when metropolitan areas like New York and Los Angeles are no longer depicted as being overwhelmingly white when they’re overwhelmingly NOT, and when any kid, regardless of race, can go to the movies and actually see themselves on the screen?  THEN I’ll stop talking about white-washing.

(via chonklatime)

#hunger games #katniss

#Katniss #The Hunger Games #Hunger Games